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Bull Trout!
McPil
I’ve caught tons of Dollies for over 45 years and the Bull Trout chacteristics are different in appearence than Dollies as far as I am concerned. Liken to characteristics between a Deer Creek native summer-run steelhead and a natural-spawned (in-river) hatchery summer-run on the Nfk Stilly…entirely different appearence but to the untrained eye similar. The Deer Creek native summer-run does not resemble in form those native summer-runs of the Stilly whatsoever. Neither do Dollies and Bull trout IMO and I’d argue it with any Bio.
McPil
Guide books, maps, as well as detailed route descriptions posted or published on the internet and in magazines have contributed to the factor, let alone the population boost, tho in the 1970s I think backpacking reached an all time high. When too much info is described, more or less the detailed easy routes, an influx of hikers follow which IMO takes the charm out of most of those places described thereby reducing its wildness. Nothing wrong with loving the wild but the impact needs to be considered much like the width of a road as opposed to a path…the more traveled, the more impact. There are folks who however see no reason to hold anything back from publication, but then I’ve seen some of these folks take a turn around in their thinking once they have vision upon some secluded place that others haven’t trampled too much yet. When I see too much descriptive route stuff published with a theme of “I conquered it in this amount of time”, it turns my gut. For that is all self glorification in conquest, and adds nothing to the environment.
http://www.alpinequest.com/offthetrailcahllenge.html
McPil
I have no further comment on this subject except: “with approval of the WDFW” the Snohomish Sportsmen’s Club ans Everett salmon steelhead Club spearheaded the triploid stocking program about 5 years ago in Blackman Lake, well before the WDFW considered it as an overall program in generall for other lowland lakes, by recommending the Trout Lodge bows be stocked there and putting up the money every year since for specific plants. Since that success, the WDFW by public request has come on board with the more wide spread triploid program statewide. This came right from the horses mouth from some of those club leaders “today” in conversation with them. Added: Most of these fish are released from tthe Trout Lodge Co. trucks and not the WDFW rigs. Tho again, the said lake (lakes I mentioned) are approved for such triploids by the WDFW, without some of the clubs funding few would have been planted over the past few years, and I am giving credit where credit is due here, so I am being “perfectly clear” regardless of WDFW having the sole power to approve.
McPil
mountains and molehills as far as I am concerned…blown way out of proportion here IMO by both of you…Virg and Sandy. I don’t think I gave the impression at all that clubs do the stocking without approval, especially in high lakes for that matter. If you read it that way…Nuts to the both of you.
McPilmcmahon, I don’t think you or I gave the impression the clubs are the only nones stocking the lakes,that it is being done without the WDFW approval, like you said all one has to do is read the threads. At any rate, I think smckean (a friend of mine) is overreacting here a bit. Having said that, he is correct in his statement about WDFW approval and having control over the stocking. Nontheless, for any newbe out there, I didn’t mean any club can stock a lake as it pleases. If any of my previous statements were misleading, sorry. Now, go enjoy the triploid fishery that some local clubs are helping pay for and aiding in the stocking process…specifically: Lake Stevens, Blackman, Tye, Silver herein Snoh. Co.
McPil
Well, excuse me, perhaps I should have said “in conjunction” with the WDFW stocking lowland lakes. But hey, I am not Mr. Perfect, and the last so called Mr. Perfect died on the cross. At any rate, my statement that Sportsmen Club’s have united in an effort to stock (help further aid the effort to boost the lowland trout fishery into a more desirous one for the overall public) local lowland lakes, is sound I believe. Perhaps I should have included the above wording, but nontheless, without the aid of these club’s and their rasied funds, some of these local lakes wouldn’t have a boost if not touched by the Dept. with triploids. One can argue it brings out a few slob fisherman who over partake, but it sure as Hell puts a smile on many a kids face. Plus the fact, that most of these lowland lakes can’t support any kind of wild fishery…facing the fact it is a put-&-take fishery and always will be if the public wants it. And IMO, without a lowland triploid fishery, you have little except for catchables to fish for. “There are those who love this fishery and who don’t fish high lakes like many of us here in this forum, for that, I endorse the said fishery without question.”
McPil
It should also be said that (at least in Snohomish Co.) some sportsmen’s clubs have united in an effort to stock local lowland lakes, footing the bill for the triploids…providing more than the WDFW has money for in their own progarm for said lakes. The Reel News and Puget Sound Anglers, Everett Salmon & Steelhead Club, and the Snohomish Sportsmen’s Assc. are the main folks to focus money in that avenue. Silver Lake will get its first ever Triploid plant this spring BTW.
McPil
Around 2,500 feet…probabaly around May, even then some middle upland lakes might be fishable in April, but the water will be cold. Generally, I don’t start looking above 3,000 feet ’till after June, but have gone into high lakes and had fair fishing in June, those haven’t been above 3,500 feet however. And that of course all has to do with the lake exposure and how much snow has occured on a given year.
McPil
